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Shimano 12 Speed drivetrain 2020
Long term testing of Shimano XT Brakes and Drivetrain 2020. 12 Speed.

Shimano XT 12 Speed Review

The team at basqueMTB were amongst the first people world wide to ride the new Shimano XT 12 speed drivetrain. That was back in May in the Pyrenees when we organised the launch of the new Orbea Occam and Shimano joined in to preview their drivetrain to the journalist. We had one of the Shimano main guys along on that trip and got the chance to ask him lots of questions. He was a very good guy, a magician at making the beers disappear, and very honest so it was a fantastic opportunity to ask and share our experiences. Read on for the full review, we will do it component by component.

Shimano XT 12 Speed Review | The Brakes

Shimano XT 12 Speed drivetrain 2020

The XT Brakes.

Shimano XT 12 Speed drivetrain 2020

Here you see the support which increases feel.

Shimano XT 12 Speed drivetrain 2020

And here you have the improved end cap thing.

The new Shimano XT brakes are far, far better and improved reliability is promised.

Doug´s Comment

Let me go through my experience of the Shimano XT brakes honestly first. Back in 2010 I changed from using SRAM brakes to the Shimano XT brakes. I was having a lot of issues with the SRAM brakes in terms of constantly bleeding, sudden failures and general issues with air entering when they got hot. I switched to the far cheaper Shimano XT brakes and it was night and day: much, much better. I was really happy with the Shimano XT brakes up until 2017, that when we started having lots of problems. You have probably heard this already, we had the dreaded changeable bite point, we had brakes suddenly get air and we had lots and lots of issues with the vertical uplift trailers and bikes arriving to the top not working. All my guides carried a full bleeding kit in their backpacks to deal with the issues. There were other, more terminal issues too though, we had problems with seals failing in the pistons and suddenly having a brake that wouldn´t work and you couldn´t bleed.

To be clear here, our bikes have a very hard life for brakes, especially our hire bikes.

Why is that?

It is because we need to change brakes from UK to EU style, which involves disconnecting the hose. In addition hire bikes tend to be braked a fair bit, with people unfamiliar with the bikes and terrain. The other two factors are the long, long descents we have plus the fact that we run a lot of uplifts, on bumpy tracks using trailers which hold the bikes vertically. A perfect storm for brake problems.

I talked to the Shimano guy honestly about these problems. It seems like we are seeing a far higher instance than other people, something I totally believe. He acknowledged issues though and only told me that we won´t have the same issues with the new brakes. All I can say is so far my experience matches that promise.

Update: Best Discs for Shimano XT Brakes

During a recent presentation we had a very interesting talk which it is worth sharing here. Lots of people comment on the varying bite-point of Shimano brakes and it is definitely a thing, although in my experience it needs to be a long steep descent. One cause of this is the Shimano disks heating up and due to the different materials they can warp slightly. This is enough to push the pistons back a bit so the first time you pull the brake the bite point has changed. This happens with Shimano XT 12 Speed groupset as well.

The solution? Orbea are now specifying their bikes with Galfer discs, which are solid high quality steel. This is a massive improvement. I have to say I have never found it to be a big issue but other people do and I know some professional riders who are really happy with the improvement with the new Galfer discs. You can read for yourself on the Galfer website.

In summary of my expereinces, the new XT brakes are really, really great. The XTR too, but maybe that´s a different review. I think it´s a good idea to just list the reasons why I think that they are great.

Shimano XT 12 Speed Review | The Gears

Really good as well! The Shimano XT 12 Speed is a big improvement over the SRAM Eagle I have been using.

Doug´s Comment

Update: Shimano XT 12 Speed Clutch Issues

There have been some issues with the clutches on the Shimano XT 12 Speed derailleurs. Sometimes it is possible to fix this just by opening and cleaning then degreasing with a light grease. We have had quite a bit of success with this. It seems that they come very dry from the factory. It is a quick job and well worth a try.

To give the background to this review, I like many people, have been using SRAM for the last several years and have used all levels of their drivetrains. There are a few things which I never liked with SRAM but you get used to it and it is never a problem. To make this review a bit simpler what I´m going to do is list the things with the Shimano XT 12 Speed drivetrain which have stood out and impressed me, in no particular order.

There are some things which are neither here nor there. The cranks are just cranks, I can´t think of anything interesting to say about them at all. They work.

There is one negative on the cassette. It needs Shimano´s own microspline freehub to mount. You probably have read loads about this already, basically Shimano have their own standard to mount the new Shimano XT 12 speed cassettes and it is not backwards compatible. I HATE new standards, we have a fleet of hire bikes and need to carry spares for our bikes, the hire bikes and things we thing our guests might need when we are deep in the Backcountry. It is annoying and expensive to have more standards. Having said that there are a few good reasons for the new standard and on balance the benifits outweigh the annoyances. Here are the benifits.

In balance, for me, the new Shimano XT 12 Speed drivetrain gets a big thumbs up.

You can see our adventure with Shimano in Winter Finally

Shimano XT 12 Speed Review | General

Shimano have pulled a definite WIN out of the bag for me. Lets hope they can get the OEM sorted and we start to see more Shimano on fully built bikes. With Orbea you have the option between SRAM and Shimano… All of our team have chosen the Shimano XT with Galfer discs. The only issues we have had is with the clutch on the 12-speed derailleurs. Mostly these have been fixed with a clean and grease, but we have had to return one derailleur under warranty.

Doug´s Comment

We have tested the XT extensively. Up until now it has been very positive. We have had one issue with a derralieur as mentioned above. The brakes have been perfect so far. We are hoping to try the Saint Calipers at some point to see if there is a difference.

We have also tested the XTR fairly extensively. The shifting on the XTR feels smoother, it´s lighter, looks cooler and is more expensive. No surprises there then!

I think that you get the idea from above. I love the new Shimano gear. The shifting is brilliant and the brakes work well and the whole package is filled with really nice touches. The whole basqueMTB team can choose whatever drivetrains we want on our bikes and we have all chosen Shimano braking and shifting. It is not perfect but the new Shimano 12 Speed XT kit really does feel like a big improvement and is currently the best out there.

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